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Author Topic: Labrador Antique Granite vs. Raven or Lagos Blue Caesarstone  (Read 1579 times)
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« on: June 02, 2008, 10:33:27 AM »

We're residential builders in the Seattle area and, as my husband does ever few years, we're building our own house. I am looking for a more uniform countertop look, which I know is challenging when you're talking about natural stone (so the term "uniform" is relative here) to sit atop dark espresso rift oak cabinets and lagos azul limestone-looking ceramic tile (looks exactly like the limestone, but is nearly indestructible) on the floors.

I am the one who does all of the interior finishing for the homes we build (unless it's a custom-build of course), so I am fairly familiar with the options out there and how to care for stone countertops--obviously marble and limestone are not for us, with two young children and a very busy, kid-friendly house--and I'm not into the look of corian (too uniform, I suppose).  We typically use granite slabs in all of our kitchens, but I also know that some granite is more durable than others (like Kashmir White can be more porous than others, right?), so with that in mind, I have narrowed down my choices, aesthically-speaking, to:
 - Antique Labrador Granite (or something similar from Finland, since I have learned that only one quarry in Norway can legally use this trademarked name) and
 - Caesarstone in polished Lagos Azul or Raven.

My questions:
1) Is Antique Labrador granite really expensive? It's a big kitchen with lots of countertop space, , so I want to keep this in consideration. Even if you can't comment on specific dollar amounts, can you tell me in general terms or if it is the same/double/triple the cost of Caesarstone?
2) Is Antique Labrador granite one of the more durable ones? Does it have any weaknesses I should consider?
3) What is the cost of the Caesarstone (more or less than granite??)
4) What durability considerations should I have with Caesarstone?

Sorry for the long post, but I figured it would help to know the background a bit. Thanks in advance!!
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2008, 06:31:51 PM »

I cannot help you with the cost of the granite. That is going to depend on whom you purchase it through more than anything else I suppose.
As far as the Ceasarstone goes it should cost around the same as a typical granite kitchen. I personally prefer natural stone but I know of others who prefer the engineered stone.
The way engineered stone is built you don't have to seal it since it is made of resin and quartz. Some are smooth while others have a "snakeskin" texture to them. Both engineered stone & granite are highly durable and you should go with whatever your tastes are - after all, it's YOUR house!

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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2008, 04:14:28 PM »

labradore antique should be around the same price as engineered stone, plus or minues ten or so dollars per foot. like Mark said, its your house, get what you want. you are correct in staying away from easily etching, calcium based stones due to the activity in your house. ceasarstone would be a good choice as far as durability, but its a solid color, gets old pretty fast, unless you like the uber modern look. labradore is an extremely beautiful stone, and you shouldnt have any problems with it. there are plenty of stones out there to choose from, so you shouldnt feel like theres only a few to choose from.

are you looking for a uniform (solid) color, or a uniform characteristic, like a standard granite may look like? some stones can be very uniform in character while provding many colors, and others as you know can have very elaborate characteristics. i would be happy to try and help steer you towards some stone if you have a cabinet color, backsplash design/color etc. worked out?  theres plenty of neutral, mild tones, and crazy colors to choose from. let us know!
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2008, 10:04:07 PM »

Thank you! This is pretty helpful. I am definitely open to other choices, but have been hunting and haven't come across another sample I like too much.

Our kitchen is borderline uber-modern, so we can go from the really uniform look of Caesarstone to the more interesting relatively uniform(ish) look of some granites. When talking about granite, I am steering away from the slabs that mix flecks and veins of sharply contrasting colors (dark brown with white veins/flecks, or the Santa Giallo Cecelia light with dark fleck variety), and leaning toward the ones whose color variation may have 3-4 colors of the same darkness/tone to make it appear a little more uniform from afar, though still interesting close up. I want something in the warm charcoal or gray to brown/tan. Some mildly green or blue slabs may be okay, but no orangy-pink or purple hues. Again durability is a major consideration.

If it helps and you have an hour to read, here is a detailed description of the great room/kitchen space:

Kitchen is 1/2 of a large great room. It is laid out in a U-shape with a 227" back wall with the rangetop centered and double-oven to the far right with both upper and base cabinets filling the rest (no windows on that wall), a 42" sub-zero fridge and Miele coffee system are on a wall to the right side, and a built-in armoire-type cabinet piece is on left wall. A large T-shaped, two-level island is in the center. The the lower island has a centered stainless sink and DW, and then there is a bar-height table (seats 4) attached by metal standoffs to the counter-height, centered on the sink island counter.

As I mentioned there is 16"x32" (huge!) brick-set tiles in the kitchen that looks exactly like Lagos Azul limestone. This is the ceramic tile color (doesn't it look like limestone!?):


The cabinets are are slab-front, rift oak an uber-dark espresso stain--some sleek brushed steel pulls will accent the doors. There are also a few accent glass cabinets in the rift oak with translucent white glass in it.


There is a contemporary chimney hood centered on the long back wall over the rangetop. The backsplash (only seen on the long wall) is 4x8 glass tiles in a blend of three neutral tan-to-brown tones with occasional lime green and deep sea blue accent 4x8 glass tiles (about 5%). The tiles run up the wall to the top behind the chimney hood duct.


In the other half of the great room is the living room area. Here there are wide-plank mahogany floors and lots of modern-cut vertical grain fir finish carpentry (tons of large windows and French Doors) including a fir picture rail that runs around the whole room about 18" down from the 10' ceiling. A "swiss coffee" off-white ceiling color will come down to the top of the picture rail, and the wall color (a modern goldish-green color will be painted below the picture rail throughout great room).

Lastly, to one side, there is a custom mahogany staircase leading upstairs and downstairs with a custom black metal railings that can best be described as asian-fusion or Craftsman-meets-Picasso. There is a huge fireplace that will be wrapped in a uniform dark slate mosaic tile centered on the opposite 227" wall, with a built in space for a plasma TV over it and comfy sectional where the whole family and our yellow lab will lounge most nights.

SOOOOO, knowing all of that (way too much, I'm sure!) what do you think??? Antique Labrador? Caesarstone? Other ideas? Smiley
Thanks so much!
Deb

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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2008, 05:49:38 PM »

i dont have much time now, but ill be back to read more later. looking at your cabinet color and the other pictures, the one stone that comes to mind is Florence Bordeaux. check out Findstone.com, you can browse an enormous amount of stone pictures there. i'll be back later.
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2008, 09:39:17 PM »

I'll check that out tonight--thanks for the link! I was in a tile showroom today that had almost our exact kitchen cabinet installed and I had a revelation as I looked at their carrera marble slab and white subway tile backsplash: Maybe we should look at a lighter countertop/backsplash. With no windows on that wall, dark espresso cabinets, I am now thinking we should explore the white/cream options. Are there any other granites (i'll look at Caesarstone too) out there that are relatively light and uniform other than Kashmir White (which I've heard can be as easy to stain as marble b/c it's porous).

thanks again--i'm off to explore your link!
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2008, 06:44:02 AM »

for backsplash, we do tons of tumbled travertine tiles, and a diagonal angle, people go nuts over that. there is classico travertine which is a light color, or Noce, which is a medium brown. tumbled is an old style look, and it looks great with just about everything.
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2008, 08:16:57 PM »

for backsplash, we do tons of tumbled travertine tiles, and a diagonal angle, people go nuts over that. there is classico travertine which is a light color, or Noce, which is a medium brown. tumbled is an old style look, and it looks great with just about everything.

I like that look in a more traditional kitchen--we do that look in some of our houses, for sure. I think we're going for a 2"x12" glass tile in three nutral tones (two beige tones and a green tone) since this is such a modern kitchen. Still unsure about the stone, but we found a few we liked at a local supplier this weekend. I'll post it once we narrow it down. Smiley
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